We need women to start fighting back against the overwhelming majority of white males who are in control of our government and are passing laws that restrict a woman’s ability to exercise her right to a legal abortion and that impact her health care choices.
Women have had enough of men trying to control them. Ladies, it is time we demand that women in congress fight fire with fire! Sign this and pass it on:http://petitions.moveon.org/
Below are couple of letters that were printed in the Frederick News Post about abortion from males, probably white. The second letter blows the first one right out of the water, so not all males want to control us.
In response to a letter to the editor dated June 1 titled, “Proof, please,” the author asked for a source regarding a quote I used in a previous letter that slave owners were pro-choice. The unsourced quote, “Against slavery? Don’t own any,” was intended to compare the essence of common, pro-choice thinking 200 years ago with today’s pro-choice position, “Against abortion? Don’t have one,” also not sourced in my letter, but which is common thinking displayed on bumper stickers.
To prove my point that those who were for legalized slavery did not consider themselves pro-slavery but pro-choice, consider the sixth Lincoln-Douglas presidential debate held in Quincy, Illinois, Oct. 13, 1858. Democratic nominee Douglas said: “[Lincoln] tells you that I will not argue the question whether slavery is right or wrong … I hold that under the Constitution of the United States, each State of this Union has a right to do as it pleases on the subject of slavery … It is none of our business whether slavery exists in Missouri or not. Missouri … has the … right to decide the slavery question for herself.”
Douglas clearly and inarguably articulated the pro-choice position for states and, by extension, individuals within those states to choose slavery. Further, since apparently no laws were ever passed requiring slave ownership, by default, slave owning was a matter of choice.
This is the same failed logic pro-choice advocates used 200 years ago: “If you are against slavery, don’t own any.” I guess he forgot the part if you don’t want an abortion don’t have one,
So is this the newest rhetoric coming from the hypocrites on the anti-choice side? Makes no sense either, can’t you all come up with something that makes sense?
But see there is a REALLY REALLY big difference here and I shall point out the obvious flaws in Brian’s so-called twisted logic.
My body my choice, the fetus is NOT an ACTUAL PERSON and resides in MY BODY, NO ONE and I MEAN NO ONE has the right to dictate what I can or cannot do with my own body got that, a slave has their own actual body, so again no one has rights over another person’s body.
The slave is an ACTUAL PERSON,they are not inside another person’s body, they are their own person, in their own body, and again no one has the right to dictate what they can or cannot do to another person’s already born body, they are not the same thing a slave nor a fetus, can you see the difference? How dare you equate a fetus to a slave like they both hold the same value, one is an already born person, one is not a person.
Owning a slave harms the slave and the slave’s body and mind, having an abortion harms no one IF one can obtain an abortion soon enough, but Brian it’s people like you that are the ones that cause harm to people like me, it’s people like you that seem to believe that you have more rights over my body than I do…well you don’t.
For some odd reason Brian seems to think that he has a right to tell ME to sit-down and shut-up and make it extremely difficult for me to access my right to choose, there by causing harm to me an already born person, he doesn’t, he has no control over us women folk.
Brian stop trying to control us women folk we are not your property never were and never will be. Look how well that worked out when you tried to make slaves your property? The slaves rose up and fought back and were eventually freed, why can’t we women be freed as well, why are we still treated as property/slaves by people like Brian. Why can’t we control our own reproductive rights and be free to access our choice to a safe legal medical procedure?
Why are we still reproductive slaves in Brian’s eyes?
This is an excellent response to that letter, explains the failed logic of Brian’s letter.
Sour Smell of Slavery
The letter that appeared June 10 titled “Proof cited” is a follow-on to the “Failed logic” letter of May 21. In this latest letter, the author presents us with two pieces of evidence that — he says — proves that 200 years ago someone said, “Against slavery? Don’t own any.” And that this saying embodied a pro-choice argument.
The alleged evidence of a pro-choice inclination with regard to slavery is (1) an excerpt from the “sixth Lincoln-Douglas presidential debate held in Quincy, Illinois on Oct. 13, 1858,” and (2) in the last paragraph of the aforementioned letter in which the author, without citing any sources, makes the following statement: “Further, since apparently no laws were ever passed requiring slave ownership, by default, slave owning was a matter of choice.”
With regard to the first point, this was not a presidential debate. Rather, it was a congressional debate in which Lincoln hoped to unseat Douglas from the U.S. Senate. Lincoln ultimately lost his bid for the seat. The excerpt from this debate makes no mention of the words “choice,” “pro-choice” or “prochoice.” If the author of the letter had used the find function of their browser to look for the occurrence of the word “choice” in this debate, he would have found a single hit in Lincoln’s reply to Douglas’ speech:
“Judge Douglas asks you, ‘Why cannot the institution of slavery, or rather, why cannot the nation, part slave and part free, continue as our fathers made it forever?’ In the first place, I insist that our fathers did not make this nation half slave and half free, or part slave and part free. I insist that they found the institution of slavery existing here. They did not make it so, but they left it so because they knew of no way to get rid of it at that time. When Judge Douglas undertakes to say that, as a matter of choice, the fathers of the government made this nation part slave and part free, he assumes what is historically a falsehood.”
With regard to the second point, the ways laws are constructed, what is not disallowed is allowed. For example, today, a number of states have pro-marijuana laws on the books. These laws do not require everyone in the state to smoke marijuana; they just remove the disallowances for the possession and use of marijuana.
The author of the “Proof cited” letter is against racial slavery, but he is not against reproductive slavery, even though slavery by any other name would smell as sour. Since he seems to be a devotee of bumper stickers, perhaps he should consider the following bumper sticker admonition: “Don’t believe everything you think.”
Definition of Slavery
The author of the “Proof cited” letter is against racial slavery, but he is not against reproductive slavery, even though slavery by any other name would smell as sour.
Nope Brian wasn’t against reproductive slavery and could not see how illogical his argument was because he sees women as really less than 2nd class citizens.
For Brian not to realize that slavery is slavery no matter what, for him not to be able see and to understand how flawed his argument was said much about how he truly sees us women folk.
We are still viewed by many as less than 2nd class citizens, some women still see themselves as less than 2nd class citizens, willing to give-up control over their own body.
We have no rights we are slaves we must do what we are told or else…WRONG.
It is reproductive slavery if you are forced to carry a pregnancy to term you do not want. Not every pregnancy is a wanted pregnancy, not every pregnancy can reach full term, women were not put on earth to be breeders, we are not livestock. It is still our body and our choice.
When you are denied access to your choice to a safe legal medical procedure to terminate that unwanted pregnancy that is reproductive slavery.
When you are denied your rights over your own body because you are denied your choice and are not allowed to exercise your reproductive freedoms that is reproductive slavery.
When you have decided in some illogical way of thinking that for some reason you have a right to tell me what I can or cannot do with my own body, that is slavery. When you try and exercise your control over my body and use my body for your gain, that is slavery.
As a woman I find it appalling that anyone would think a woman should be forced to do something against her will, like carry a pregnancy to full-term, that she has no right to say no, after all it is her body and should be her choice what happens to her body, shouldn’t it?
Do people like Brian realize what they are saying when they are advocating that a woman be forced to carry a pregnancy, she does not want, to full-term, that a woman has no say, no control over what happens to her own body ever, that anyone at anytime can do whatever they like to her body and she just has to be forced to accept it. That is slavery.
Do they realize that they are saying that a woman has no right to say NO ever….to anything that has to do with her body, they are saying that women deserve to be treated as less than 2nd class citizens, that women are nothing more than breed stock.
If a woman can be forced to carry a pregnancy to full term and then give birth to a child she didn’t want then what rights does she over her own body—NONE. She no longer has a right to say no to anything when it comes to her own body. Her body is no longer her own. Once a woman gives up her rights to exercise her reproductive freedoms she has really given up rights over anything else that has to do with her body, she has submitted, she has given up all rights to her own body. A woman’s right to say NO has been taken away from her because her body is no longer her own.
We are less than 2nd class citizens.
Why are working so hard to keep women reproductive slaves why are we advocating that women be forced to give birth, that her choice is irrelevant?
That makes no logical sense, but let’s think past our own self shall we, really do we want women to be forced to relinquish her control over her own body.
Would you want someone to be able to force you to do something against your own will. Would you be willing to give up your rights over your own body, would you be willing to give up control over your own self, your own body ? When you take away a woman’s right to choose what happens to her own body, you have made her a reproductive slave, because you have taken her control over her own body, you have taken her choices away.
Men have absolutely no rights to make any demands regarding how women control their bodies, but for some reason they seem to think they have that right. We need to impose the same sort of restrictions on men’s bodies as they have imposed on our bodies, let them understand how it feels to have their body controlled by someone else, after all what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
Would you submit to having your choices taken away, not me, not ever.